1 00:00:32,009 --> 00:00:34,250 I'm sorry, everybody. I just got hung up in traffic. 2 00:00:34,450 --> 00:00:36,210 This is going to be a very short meeting, Seth. 3 00:00:36,490 --> 00:00:37,349 Why do you say that? 4 00:00:37,350 --> 00:00:39,950 Because I don't think we have anything to talk about. The fact is, we have a 5 00:00:39,950 --> 00:00:40,950 great deal to talk about. 6 00:00:41,110 --> 00:00:44,750 What remains an open question is whether or not my husband is willing to do so. 7 00:00:44,850 --> 00:00:46,990 What he's not willing to do is roll over and play dead. 8 00:00:48,050 --> 00:00:50,470 You're perfectly willing to talk, am I right, Carl? 9 00:00:54,610 --> 00:00:57,170 I'm sorry, I was visualizing a ten -sided figure. 10 00:00:59,390 --> 00:01:03,170 Let's just look at the issues, Arnie. Now, Andrea wants the apartment. 11 00:01:03,430 --> 00:01:06,490 It was Carl's place before they got married. Who doesn't make it his in 12 00:01:06,490 --> 00:01:10,770 perpetuity? She decorated that apartment. She's developed an attachment 13 00:01:10,770 --> 00:01:13,770 apartment. Well, then we have a real problem here because he doesn't want to 14 00:01:13,770 --> 00:01:14,770 relinquish the place. 15 00:01:14,870 --> 00:01:18,830 The apartment is where I do my best thinking. Which may sound as somewhat 16 00:01:18,830 --> 00:01:21,430 than a ringing endorsement. Let's not get started here. 17 00:01:21,650 --> 00:01:25,630 I know that in your eyes, you could never measure up to Ivan Goodpasture's 18 00:01:25,630 --> 00:01:27,230 thinking. That's right, it doesn't. 19 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,840 You know, I don't think that we're going to settle this case, Seth. Maybe we 20 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,080 should move on to depositions. 21 00:01:31,320 --> 00:01:32,320 Okay. 22 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:37,600 This is so upsetting to me. I'm sitting here, and I'm trying to think of the 23 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,880 first hundred digits of pi, and I'm drawing a total blank. 24 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:45,360 Before you decide to drag this out, Mr. Becker, just keep in mind, if we do go 25 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:50,280 to court, I will be forced to describe in excruciating detail what it's like to 26 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,280 keep him from becoming even more dysfunctional than he already is. I 27 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,140 to go to court, Andrea. Believe me. 28 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,060 I'm just following the advice of my attorney. 29 00:01:59,300 --> 00:02:01,880 What do you mean? Is he in charge or are you in charge? 30 00:02:06,100 --> 00:02:07,059 He is. 31 00:02:07,060 --> 00:02:08,500 Well, I think we're done for today. 32 00:02:08,740 --> 00:02:10,840 You're a sniveling little toad. 33 00:02:12,740 --> 00:02:17,440 Do you know how many anagrams you can find in the word sniveling? No, I don't, 34 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:18,440 Carl. 35 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,820 Would you believe that there are at least 25? 36 00:04:08,020 --> 00:04:09,920 We have a lot of ground to cover today. 37 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:11,460 Lunch is arriving shortly. 38 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,180 I suggest we get started. 39 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:15,540 Hicks versus Rossoff. 40 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,959 Mathematicians divorcing. We're representing the husband. The wife is 41 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:20,619 the moon. 42 00:04:20,620 --> 00:04:23,360 We're in the middle of depositions. I'm expecting to go to trial. 43 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,320 Office warehouse versus Barbera. Technically, it's a shareholder's 44 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,460 action. But in fact, the board of directors is trying to force Jack 45 00:04:31,700 --> 00:04:32,700 Do they have grounds? 46 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,260 Not as far as I'm concerned. 47 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,700 But more importantly, they don't have the votes. 48 00:04:37,419 --> 00:04:39,700 Jack and his son control 60 % of the stuff. 49 00:04:40,140 --> 00:04:41,059 Lunch is here. 50 00:04:41,060 --> 00:04:43,160 Ah, glad to hear it. I'm starved. 51 00:04:44,280 --> 00:04:45,280 Thank you, Dolores. 52 00:04:45,380 --> 00:04:46,900 If any of these are wrong, let me know. 53 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:50,640 People versus Barkwell. 54 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,000 Sam Barkwell was hired by two men to take the mountain climbing. 55 00:04:54,660 --> 00:04:56,620 One of the two was injured, the three got snowed in. 56 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,700 Sam and Richard Visser killed the injured guy, but then was in a coma, and 57 00:05:00,700 --> 00:05:01,700 cannibalized him. 58 00:05:02,840 --> 00:05:04,560 Oh, God, that's horrible. 59 00:05:04,940 --> 00:05:07,180 I can tell you that neither Barkwell nor Visser will ever be the same. 60 00:05:07,500 --> 00:05:08,500 How could they be? 61 00:05:09,060 --> 00:05:12,260 One cannibal says to the other cannibal, my wife made a great pot roast. 62 00:05:12,980 --> 00:05:13,980 I'm going to miss her. 63 00:05:14,900 --> 00:05:15,900 Arnold. 64 00:05:15,980 --> 00:05:18,580 In that lunch has arrived, I think we should probably change the topic of 65 00:05:18,580 --> 00:05:20,200 conversation. I agree with that. 66 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,920 I just hope there are no ribs in there. Oh, very cheeky, very cheeky. What's the 67 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,320 big deal? They're vegetarians and they're humanitarian. 68 00:05:29,500 --> 00:05:30,500 Donner, party of 12. 69 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:35,680 One cannibal says to another, I hate my in -laws. The other says, so? Eat the 70 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:36,900 noodles. Gee. 71 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,200 This is going to be a tough fight, Jack. 72 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,140 The board of directors would like very much to get rid of you. Can they beat us 73 00:05:46,140 --> 00:05:46,879 in court? 74 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,200 Well, no, but... Is it possible that we could avoid a war with the board? 75 00:05:50,590 --> 00:05:53,570 How are we going to avoid a war? They want me out. Dad, it's not a matter of 76 00:05:53,570 --> 00:05:56,630 wanting you out. They just don't want you to make any other acquisitions right 77 00:05:56,630 --> 00:05:59,690 now. I didn't build the business by listening to a board of directors. 78 00:06:00,290 --> 00:06:04,410 I did it by keeping my eyes open and knowing when to move. Now, if I can't 79 00:06:04,410 --> 00:06:07,730 a decision and then act on it, tell them I'm wasting my time for. Here you go. 80 00:06:08,050 --> 00:06:09,090 Thank you, dear. You're welcome. 81 00:06:09,950 --> 00:06:12,930 Would you like me to pursue settlement discussions with their attorneys? 82 00:06:13,390 --> 00:06:15,450 You'd just be wasting your time. Excuse me. 83 00:06:15,770 --> 00:06:16,770 I'll be right back. 84 00:06:21,260 --> 00:06:24,200 I need four copies of each and have to serve them at 5 o 'clock. Sorry. 85 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:25,339 Oh, it's okay. 86 00:06:25,340 --> 00:06:29,460 At least the copier's better here than it is in New York. Oh, what kind of 87 00:06:29,460 --> 00:06:30,439 copier do you have? 88 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,760 I don't know what kind it is, to be honest with you. 89 00:06:33,900 --> 00:06:34,980 Hi. Hi. 90 00:06:35,820 --> 00:06:38,600 The reason I ask is that I'm in office supplies. 91 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,039 Oh, yeah? 92 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:41,039 Denise, thanks. 93 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,220 Sure. Yeah, office warehouse? 94 00:06:43,860 --> 00:06:45,400 Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's me. 95 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,840 It's a family business, but it's my family. 96 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,920 Uh, if you'll excuse me, I have to make copies. 97 00:06:58,880 --> 00:06:59,280 The 98 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:10,120 good 99 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,400 news is that Mulaney's dropping the second -degree murder charges. 100 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,840 The bad news is he's not dropping voluntary manslaughter. 101 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:17,340 Not exactly a surprise. 102 00:07:18,140 --> 00:07:20,080 I guess we'd better gather our things and head for court. 103 00:07:21,930 --> 00:07:23,730 I'm going to ask the question one more time. 104 00:07:24,890 --> 00:07:26,550 Are you sure you want a joint trial? 105 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:30,950 Yes. I was the leader. You're more sympathetic than I am. A joint trial 106 00:07:30,950 --> 00:07:33,870 more than it does you. I don't care. I think we should stand together. 107 00:07:34,230 --> 00:07:38,110 If it hadn't been for you, I'd have also died on that mountain. Now let's just 108 00:07:38,110 --> 00:07:39,110 do it this way. 109 00:07:40,550 --> 00:07:41,550 Let's go. 110 00:07:47,430 --> 00:07:53,600 Did you have occasion to examine the body of one... Von Alner. Yes, I did. I 111 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,740 retrieved the remains of Mr. Alner from right below the summit of Mount Goddard. 112 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,760 Would you describe the condition of the body for us? A leg had been dismembered 113 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,740 from it, and the tissue had been removed from the leg. In addition, the 114 00:08:03,740 --> 00:08:06,520 abdominal cavity had been opened, and the liver had been removed. 115 00:08:06,740 --> 00:08:09,080 What did you determine was the cause of death, Doctor? 116 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,440 Patechial hemorrhages in both eyes indicated that the cause of death was 117 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,340 suffocation. Would said cause of death be consonant with the deceased having 118 00:08:16,340 --> 00:08:17,640 been smothered? Objection. 119 00:08:18,180 --> 00:08:19,320 Overruled? Yes, it would. 120 00:08:19,850 --> 00:08:23,170 Several bruises around the mouth indicate that the deceased was in fact 121 00:08:23,170 --> 00:08:25,070 smothered. No further questions. 122 00:08:25,770 --> 00:08:29,390 Did you find evidence the deceased had any head trauma prior to his death? 123 00:08:29,650 --> 00:08:31,570 I found evidence of a subdural hematoma. 124 00:08:31,850 --> 00:08:32,850 That's the blood clot. 125 00:08:33,049 --> 00:08:35,409 I estimated it occurred some two weeks prior to his death. 126 00:08:35,610 --> 00:08:36,610 Two weeks. 127 00:08:38,190 --> 00:08:40,929 How long do you estimate it would have been before that led to Mr. Allner's 128 00:08:40,929 --> 00:08:44,130 death? I have no way of knowing that. Was the deceased suffering from 129 00:08:44,130 --> 00:08:45,630 hypothermia at the time of his death? 130 00:08:45,890 --> 00:08:47,570 Yes, he was. Severe hypothermia. 131 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:49,580 Would you describe the nature of hypothermia? 132 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,160 Uncontrollable shivering, circulation is cut off to the extremities, 133 00:08:53,220 --> 00:08:55,380 dehydration, loss of blood to the brain. 134 00:08:55,580 --> 00:08:58,140 How long before that would have killed him? I have no way of knowing that 135 00:08:58,140 --> 00:09:00,500 either. Would you have any way of knowing whether or not it would have 136 00:09:00,500 --> 00:09:03,980 possible for Vaughn Elner to have gotten off that mountain alive? 137 00:09:04,460 --> 00:09:06,800 I assume there's always that possibility, Mr. Levinson. 138 00:09:07,260 --> 00:09:09,860 Have you seen the medical reports regarding a defendant's doctor? 139 00:09:10,460 --> 00:09:11,459 Yes, I have. 140 00:09:11,460 --> 00:09:14,380 Is it not the case that they were both suffering from hypothermia? 141 00:09:15,210 --> 00:09:17,530 frostbite and malnutrition at the time they were found. 142 00:09:17,750 --> 00:09:20,350 Yes, that is the case. Would you have any way of knowing if they would have 143 00:09:20,350 --> 00:09:22,650 survived had they not killed Mr. Alner? 144 00:09:25,350 --> 00:09:26,269 No, I would not. 145 00:09:26,270 --> 00:09:27,330 I have no further questions. 146 00:09:34,870 --> 00:09:36,930 You're a mathematician, is that right, Miss Rosoff? 147 00:09:37,610 --> 00:09:38,469 Yes, I am. 148 00:09:38,470 --> 00:09:39,990 And your husband is also a mathematician? 149 00:09:40,490 --> 00:09:42,110 Yes, he is. He's a brilliant mathematician. 150 00:09:42,940 --> 00:09:45,360 I didn't know that I'd characterize myself as brilliant. 151 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,280 Oh, don't be modest with me, Carl. I've heard your exegesis on Yulenbeck. 152 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:50,940 That was when we first met. 153 00:09:51,260 --> 00:09:52,219 Yes, it was. 154 00:09:52,220 --> 00:09:57,220 Arnie, can we keep going here? We were talking about how a coffee cup and a 155 00:09:57,220 --> 00:10:01,620 donut were topologically identical when you reached over and touched my hand. 156 00:10:01,820 --> 00:10:03,200 We really have to do this now, Carl. 157 00:10:04,820 --> 00:10:05,820 Okay. 158 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,980 In the period of time during which you were married, did you and your husband 159 00:10:08,980 --> 00:10:09,980 ever work together? 160 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,280 We worked together while we were married. We also worked together before 161 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:18,860 married. Would it be fair to say that his work on simplex algorithms and 162 00:10:18,860 --> 00:10:22,280 polyhedral shades... Poly... 163 00:10:23,390 --> 00:10:26,730 Hedral shapes. Would it be fair to say that his precedes yours? What's the 164 00:10:26,730 --> 00:10:29,610 relevance of that? Well, my client doesn't want your client publishing 165 00:10:29,610 --> 00:10:32,970 based on work that was his before they were married. What are you saying? His 166 00:10:32,970 --> 00:10:38,730 work on curved ellipsoids, quadratic forms, on the deformation of spherical 167 00:10:38,730 --> 00:10:41,810 objects, and on K derivatives remains his. 168 00:10:42,050 --> 00:10:45,650 You can't be serious. Are you familiar with an individual by the name of Ivan 169 00:10:45,650 --> 00:10:47,350 Goodpaster? Objection. Irrelevant. 170 00:10:47,590 --> 00:10:50,950 I don't mind talking about Ivan, Seth. What is the nature of your relationship 171 00:10:50,950 --> 00:10:52,050 with Mr. Goodpaster? 172 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,680 Ivan and I have a sexual relationship. 173 00:10:55,020 --> 00:10:56,700 Is this ongoing at the present time? 174 00:10:56,980 --> 00:11:00,940 Yes, it is. Have you and Mr. Goodpaster engaged in any joint research project? 175 00:11:01,180 --> 00:11:05,000 All right. Now, I'm instructing her not to answer, Arnie. What she and a third 176 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,620 party of her choosing elect to engage in is irrelevant to these proceedings. If 177 00:11:08,620 --> 00:11:12,120 she is using her husband's work to help Ivan with his dissertation, it is highly 178 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,120 relevant, Seth. 179 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,000 What makes you think the work we're using isn't work I've done when I've 180 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,160 with Ivan? Why are you doing this to me, Andrea? 181 00:11:18,380 --> 00:11:20,240 Why am I doing this to you? Let me see. 182 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,240 Could it be that your obsession with Goldbach's conjecture forced me to live 183 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,840 an environment that, intellectually at least, can only be described as 184 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,560 stultifying? I'd really like to get on with the deposition, if I might. You 185 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:33,320 really haven't been a very good husband to me, Carl. 186 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,200 You've refused to publish any papers that might have listed me as co -author. 187 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,080 Those papers weren't ready to be published. 188 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,480 The findings are trivial. And you've completely ignored me sexually. Well, 189 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,040 your little fling with Ivan Goodpastor had something to do with that. Well, if 190 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,580 you think I'm going to wear a scarlet letter, think again. I'm ashamed of 191 00:11:47,580 --> 00:11:50,180 nothing. Go ahead, Mr. Becker. Ask me another question. 192 00:11:52,580 --> 00:11:54,820 Uh, here you go. Thank you. 193 00:12:02,820 --> 00:12:03,980 Do you know you're a beautiful girl? 194 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,520 Anybody ever tell you that? Of course they do. 195 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:07,519 Thank you. 196 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:08,660 Can I ask you a crazy question? 197 00:12:08,980 --> 00:12:10,380 Sure. What are you doing for lunch? 198 00:12:11,500 --> 00:12:13,160 Nothing. Can I take you? 199 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:15,640 Yeah, why not? 200 00:12:18,810 --> 00:12:20,410 So? Want to go out and grab a quick bite? 201 00:12:20,830 --> 00:12:21,830 You too? 202 00:12:21,870 --> 00:12:22,870 Yeah, you want to come? 203 00:12:23,790 --> 00:12:24,709 No, thanks. 204 00:12:24,710 --> 00:12:25,850 Well, can we bring you back something? 205 00:12:26,850 --> 00:12:27,850 No, thanks. 206 00:12:27,930 --> 00:12:28,930 Okay. 207 00:12:32,990 --> 00:12:36,130 Mr. Goodpaster, could you please tell us when you and Miss Rossoff became 208 00:12:36,130 --> 00:12:37,150 romantically involved? 209 00:12:37,530 --> 00:12:40,110 It was March 2nd, 1991. 210 00:12:41,570 --> 00:12:42,910 What day of the week, Carl? 211 00:12:44,130 --> 00:12:46,690 I'm not thinking about what day of the week it was, Ivan. 212 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:48,460 What day of the week was it? 213 00:12:49,100 --> 00:12:50,260 It was a Saturday. 214 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,340 Could we move on? Would you please stop doing that? 215 00:12:53,780 --> 00:12:55,480 I wasn't aware it was bothering anyone. 216 00:12:57,180 --> 00:12:59,900 Did you and Miss Rossoff ever go away together? 217 00:13:00,420 --> 00:13:04,820 Yes, we did. As a matter of fact, starting in March of 1991, you went away 218 00:13:04,820 --> 00:13:08,140 regularly, did you not? As regularly as was possible. 219 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,760 You attended a symposium together at the Institute for Advanced Studies in 220 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,780 Princeton, New Jersey. Who paid for that trip, Mr. Goodpaster? 221 00:13:16,170 --> 00:13:19,570 In that I'm a graduate student, I make very little money. 222 00:13:20,690 --> 00:13:24,970 Andrea paid for it. And you spent two weeks at a Holiday Inn in Rochester, New 223 00:13:24,970 --> 00:13:26,630 York. Who paid for that, Mr. Goodpaster? 224 00:13:27,250 --> 00:13:31,150 Andrea did. Arnie, are we going to dissect her entire American Express 225 00:13:31,290 --> 00:13:32,290 Yes, we are. 226 00:13:32,490 --> 00:13:35,850 She was spending marital assets on these trysts. Are you getting sexually 227 00:13:35,850 --> 00:13:37,870 stimulated by the details, Carl? 228 00:13:38,090 --> 00:13:43,250 Mr. Goodpaster, did you attend a Tetris convention in Ann Arbor, Michigan with 229 00:13:43,250 --> 00:13:44,530 Miss Rossoff? Yes. 230 00:13:44,790 --> 00:13:46,930 And would you tell us who paid for that? Stop. 231 00:13:47,570 --> 00:13:51,750 I can't. This is too sick. I don't want to go any further with this. 232 00:13:51,990 --> 00:13:52,990 All right, let's take a break. 233 00:13:53,130 --> 00:13:55,830 We're fighting over sums of money. 234 00:13:56,270 --> 00:13:58,990 That is exactly what we're doing, Carl. 235 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,160 All right, given what time it is, I think we should take a break for lunch, 236 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:03,160 that's all right with everybody. 237 00:14:03,260 --> 00:14:04,980 Yeah, we can see you back here in an hour. 238 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:10,920 So where do you want to go eat? 239 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,380 Andrea, can I talk to you for a minute? 240 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,420 I'll be in the waiting area immediately adjacent to the elevator corridor. 241 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,240 I think we should make some serious attempt at reconciliation. 242 00:14:30,980 --> 00:14:32,180 It's not going to happen, Carl. 243 00:14:32,380 --> 00:14:34,880 I've been inattentive. I can correct that. 244 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:36,780 Let's try. Let's make an attempt. 245 00:14:37,180 --> 00:14:42,160 I think your relationship with Ivan is just a passing infatuation. 246 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,240 It has nothing to do with Ivan, Carl. 247 00:14:44,660 --> 00:14:49,100 You and I are fundamentally incompatible. We should just recognize 248 00:14:49,100 --> 00:14:55,180 on. The truth is, there have been Ivans in my life since the second or third 249 00:14:55,180 --> 00:14:56,180 year of our marriage. 250 00:14:56,790 --> 00:14:57,789 There have? 251 00:14:57,790 --> 00:15:01,270 You were guest lecturing in Toronto. I had an affair with Morton Kovno. 252 00:15:01,590 --> 00:15:05,090 A short time after that, I had a brief affair with Paul Kritzelis. 253 00:15:05,650 --> 00:15:09,510 After that, I had an affair with Michael Kostikian that ended just last year. 254 00:15:09,650 --> 00:15:11,290 Barney, drop the papers. 255 00:15:11,510 --> 00:15:13,450 You can give her whatever she's asking for. 256 00:15:13,890 --> 00:15:16,530 Carl, I can't do this anymore. 257 00:15:24,460 --> 00:15:29,060 What was your husband's relationship with Samuel Barkwell, ma 'am? He and 258 00:15:29,060 --> 00:15:32,780 Richard hired him. What did they hire him for? To take them into the 259 00:15:33,140 --> 00:15:36,300 The three of them would sit in our living room and plan out expeditions. 260 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,860 Was your husband an experienced mountain climber? No, but my husband liked to 261 00:15:40,860 --> 00:15:44,200 imagine that he could master anything that he set his mind to. 262 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,200 What was the nature of the trip your husband was killed on, Ms. Ulmer? 263 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:49,200 to the term killed. 264 00:15:49,380 --> 00:15:53,020 Miss Guise, let's not quibble over semantics. The witness may answer the 265 00:15:53,020 --> 00:15:55,400 question. They were to climb Mount Goddard. 266 00:15:56,100 --> 00:15:58,040 It was supposed to be the more difficult approach. 267 00:15:58,580 --> 00:16:00,640 It was also supposed to be a two -day trip. 268 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,100 Did you have a conversation with Mr. Barkwell prior to the trip? 269 00:16:04,340 --> 00:16:07,800 Yes, I did. I told him that I was worried about my husband. 270 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:09,160 And how did he respond? 271 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,900 He said that he would get him back safe and sound. 272 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:14,800 Nothing further. 273 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,820 Your husband, along with Richard Visser... 274 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,240 had been out rock climbing with Samuel Barkwell prior to this trip, had they 275 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,600 not? Yes, they had. 276 00:16:25,820 --> 00:16:28,920 Did they not have a training regimen designed for them by Samuel Barkwell? 277 00:16:29,220 --> 00:16:30,220 Yes, they did. 278 00:16:30,260 --> 00:16:31,760 Did your husband follow that regimen? 279 00:16:31,980 --> 00:16:33,800 Not as closely as he should have, I'm sure. 280 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,060 My husband worked 60 hours a week. 281 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,740 Do you ever witness a conversation in which Samuel Barkwell cautioned your 282 00:16:39,740 --> 00:16:41,600 husband against overestimating his abilities? 283 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,460 I witnessed conversations between the two of them all the time. 284 00:16:44,980 --> 00:16:48,640 I listened as Samuel Barkwell convinced my husband to live out on the edge. 285 00:16:49,070 --> 00:16:52,930 To take chances, to venture out into that godforsaken wilderness in the 286 00:16:52,930 --> 00:16:54,070 of the winter. Mrs. Ulmer. 287 00:16:54,330 --> 00:16:56,070 How could you slaughter him like that, Richard? 288 00:16:57,170 --> 00:16:58,570 You're the godfather to our son. 289 00:16:59,990 --> 00:17:01,110 How could you kill him? 290 00:17:07,010 --> 00:17:08,010 Susan, 291 00:17:08,550 --> 00:17:11,670 please, just for one minute, can we talk to each other? No. 292 00:17:12,329 --> 00:17:16,010 Can I just look you in the eye and tell you that I'm sorry? No, you can't. This 293 00:17:16,010 --> 00:17:18,790 wasn't planned, Susan. What happened to Vaughn could have easily happened to me. 294 00:17:18,990 --> 00:17:20,369 You need for me to say that I know that? 295 00:17:20,589 --> 00:17:23,650 Yes. You need me to say that neither one of you is to blame for what happened? 296 00:17:23,869 --> 00:17:25,290 Yes, I need to hear you say that. 297 00:17:25,730 --> 00:17:27,150 And I need for you to forgive me. 298 00:17:28,690 --> 00:17:30,190 Richard, I don't care what you need. 299 00:17:30,750 --> 00:17:33,630 Neither you nor he have the right to ask me anything. 300 00:17:34,430 --> 00:17:35,430 You want forgiveness? 301 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:36,850 You get it somewhere else. 302 00:17:52,430 --> 00:17:56,590 We were going up the mountain, and Vaughn lost his footing and he fell. 303 00:17:57,150 --> 00:17:58,150 What did you do? 304 00:17:59,570 --> 00:18:06,430 Sam climbed down to where he was, rigged up a harness, and we pulled him 305 00:18:06,430 --> 00:18:08,490 back up to a place where we could all spend the night. 306 00:18:09,250 --> 00:18:10,310 What was his condition? 307 00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:16,210 I would say that he was semi -conscious at that point. He had sustained a 308 00:18:16,210 --> 00:18:17,210 serious head wound. 309 00:18:18,450 --> 00:18:21,530 What decision was made as to what to do with Mr. Allner? 310 00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:28,890 Sam was going to go for help the next day, but a storm hit that we hadn't 311 00:18:28,890 --> 00:18:31,710 counted on, and it made it impossible for him to get out. 312 00:18:33,770 --> 00:18:38,590 So we built a snow cave, and we waited. How long did you wait in that cave? 313 00:18:39,690 --> 00:18:40,690 22 days. 314 00:18:42,170 --> 00:18:47,850 And every time Sam would try to get out, he would either run into an avalanche 315 00:18:47,850 --> 00:18:50,990 or more bad weather, and he'd have to turn back. 316 00:18:51,310 --> 00:18:52,310 What did you have to eat? 317 00:18:52,650 --> 00:18:56,730 During that time, Mr. Visser? Some trail mix and some freeze -dried food. 318 00:18:58,550 --> 00:19:03,510 You see, this was only supposed to be a two -day trip, so what we had, we made 319 00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:04,590 last for eight days. 320 00:19:04,990 --> 00:19:06,270 After that, we had nothing. 321 00:19:06,570 --> 00:19:08,970 What happened to Mr. Aldner's condition during that time? 322 00:19:09,250 --> 00:19:10,250 It got worse. 323 00:19:11,710 --> 00:19:17,830 We fed him and we tried to keep him warm, but by the end, he was in a coma. 324 00:19:18,090 --> 00:19:21,910 At some point, was a decision made to kill... 325 00:19:22,170 --> 00:19:23,170 Vaughn Allner. 326 00:19:24,690 --> 00:19:26,510 Yes. Who made that decision? 327 00:19:27,910 --> 00:19:29,870 Sam did. Did you go along with it? 328 00:19:30,350 --> 00:19:32,630 Yes, I did. Why did you go along with it, Mr. Visser? 329 00:19:33,550 --> 00:19:37,710 Because I truly believed that there was no hope that Vaughn would be rescued, 330 00:19:37,770 --> 00:19:44,730 and I believed that if I didn't eat, that I would surely 331 00:19:44,730 --> 00:19:45,730 die as well. 332 00:19:46,610 --> 00:19:47,610 I have nothing further. 333 00:19:52,060 --> 00:19:55,600 Vaughn Ulner was smothered to death. Is that right? Yes, sir. 334 00:19:58,560 --> 00:19:59,560 How'd you do that? 335 00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:04,780 We took a sleeping bag and we held it over his face. Both you and Mr. Barkwell 336 00:20:04,780 --> 00:20:05,519 held it there? 337 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,440 Yes. Did your friend struggle at all while you were doing this? 338 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,640 No. He didn't kick? 339 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:15,290 He didn't try to push your way? The witness has stated the deceased... 340 00:20:15,290 --> 00:20:19,270 struggle. Your Honor, struggle is a rather imprecise term. I'm trying to get 341 00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:22,430 the specifics of what was going on at the moment this killing took place. 342 00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:25,130 The objection is overruled. The witness may answer. 343 00:20:25,370 --> 00:20:27,890 He didn't kick, and he didn't push. 344 00:20:28,570 --> 00:20:32,850 Do you know for a fact whether his eyes were open or closed? 345 00:20:33,050 --> 00:20:37,130 The witness has stated that there was a sleeping bag over the deceased's face. 346 00:20:37,210 --> 00:20:40,630 Your Honor, I would ask that the witness, rather than his attorney, 347 00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:43,950 question. The objection is overruled. The witness will answer. 348 00:20:45,260 --> 00:20:47,340 I don't remember if his eyes were open or closed. 349 00:20:47,700 --> 00:20:51,620 Were they open or closed when you put the sleeping bag over his face? 350 00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:53,360 They were closed. 351 00:20:54,580 --> 00:20:58,820 Well, if they were closed then, why do you have any doubt as to whether or not 352 00:20:58,820 --> 00:21:00,620 they were closed while he was suffocating? 353 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:02,960 Mr. Visser? 354 00:21:05,940 --> 00:21:07,980 Why is there any doubt? 355 00:21:13,020 --> 00:21:14,500 Because I heard him speak. 356 00:21:14,860 --> 00:21:18,360 Your Honor, may I have a moment to confer with my client? No, Miss Goss, 357 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:21,400 not. Proceed, Mr. Mullaney. What did you hear Mr. 358 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:22,640 Ulmer say, sir? 359 00:21:25,940 --> 00:21:28,160 I heard him speak his wife's name. 360 00:21:29,260 --> 00:21:30,620 I heard him say Susan. 361 00:21:30,940 --> 00:21:34,160 Did you think to take the sleeping bag off his face at that point? 362 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:35,440 Yes, I did. 363 00:21:36,940 --> 00:21:37,960 I did, Sam. 364 00:21:38,260 --> 00:21:39,760 I begged you to stop. 365 00:21:41,260 --> 00:21:45,840 I could not stop. Stop it from happening. 366 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,160 But I am sorry. 367 00:21:55,180 --> 00:22:00,420 I don't see why we have to fight this fight. I really don't. Your father wants 368 00:22:00,420 --> 00:22:03,160 to exercise certain managerial prerogatives, Alan. 369 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,840 He's not taking an unreasonable position. 370 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:10,340 Every indication is that this is a bad time to get into the software business. 371 00:22:10,890 --> 00:22:14,410 The big boys are hanging back waiting to see how the market shakes out. They'll 372 00:22:14,410 --> 00:22:18,150 make a move and do the same thing to software that Blockbuster did to video. 373 00:22:18,370 --> 00:22:23,710 Hey, youngster, I took a single store and I built it up into a corporation 374 00:22:23,710 --> 00:22:28,390 grossed $130 million last year. So please, don't give me any lessons on how 375 00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:31,250 run a business. Dad, I am not trying to give you... Gentlemen, for the purposes 376 00:22:31,250 --> 00:22:34,370 of dealing with the board of directors, let's remember that you're both on the 377 00:22:34,370 --> 00:22:35,370 same side of this issue. 378 00:22:35,610 --> 00:22:39,150 Excuse me, Leland. I need a signature on these. Ah, yes, I'll take it. 379 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:48,760 How was lunch yesterday? 380 00:22:49,740 --> 00:22:53,020 Fine. He moves fast, my father, doesn't he? 381 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:55,760 What does that mean, he moves fast? 382 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:56,960 Just what I said, Dad. 383 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,860 You see something you want, you waste no time going after it. You make your 384 00:23:00,860 --> 00:23:02,400 move, as you're so fond of saying. 385 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,400 Did he offer you a job yet? That's none of your business. 386 00:23:05,660 --> 00:23:06,660 We had lunch. 387 00:23:07,580 --> 00:23:09,240 Denise, would you excuse us? 388 00:23:11,740 --> 00:23:12,740 Okay. 389 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,540 Here's what I think I'm going to do. 390 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,480 I'm going to do what you do. Meaning what? 391 00:23:20,700 --> 00:23:22,500 Meaning I'm voting with the board of directors. 392 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,319 You're doing what? 393 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,920 I'm voting with the board of directors. Now, Alan, slow down a moment. I'm just 394 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:30,920 doing what he does. 395 00:23:30,940 --> 00:23:34,140 I'm making a move. You're stabbing me in the back. That's what you're doing. You 396 00:23:34,140 --> 00:23:37,480 side with the board of directors, your father's out on his ear. And he's out on 397 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,220 his ear. You want to be the boss. Is that it, Alan? I want to protect my 398 00:23:40,220 --> 00:23:44,580 interests. No, you want to be the boss. All right, I want to be the boss. 399 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:47,040 I'm 38 years old, Dad. 400 00:23:47,340 --> 00:23:51,700 I want to stop being told all the things I don't know. I want to be listened to. 401 00:23:51,820 --> 00:23:53,560 I want to be respected. 402 00:23:54,140 --> 00:23:56,380 I want to start making decisions the way you do. 403 00:23:56,700 --> 00:24:00,460 Fast and ruthless and without any regard for what anybody else thinks. Alan. And 404 00:24:00,460 --> 00:24:03,740 I'm going to start by kicking your ass out of this company. 405 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,400 You went out with Jack Barbera. 406 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:12,760 I had lunch with him. 407 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:14,620 Was it a business lunch? 408 00:24:15,139 --> 00:24:19,060 No. Did you think there was any reason for this lunch other than his romantic 409 00:24:19,060 --> 00:24:20,060 interest in you? 410 00:24:20,740 --> 00:24:23,840 Leland, he asked me to go to lunch and I went. I didn't think it was going to be 411 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,720 such a big deal. Well, let me tell you just how big a deal it apparently was. 412 00:24:28,540 --> 00:24:32,160 Alan Barbera has announced his intention to switch his allegiance from his 413 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,280 father to the board of directors. 414 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,180 That will result in his father being ousted from the company he built. 415 00:24:37,420 --> 00:24:38,420 And this is my fault. 416 00:24:38,620 --> 00:24:41,060 It could be said that you had something to do with it. 417 00:24:41,450 --> 00:24:44,590 Excuse me, but I refuse to accept that. You don't believe that you could have 418 00:24:44,590 --> 00:24:47,270 exercised just slightly better judgment in this matter? 419 00:24:48,030 --> 00:24:51,430 Well, nobody told me that there was a rule against secretaries dating clients. 420 00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:52,890 I'm telling you. 421 00:24:53,170 --> 00:24:54,690 So you're firing me? 422 00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:57,630 What I'm doing now is putting you on notice. 423 00:24:58,470 --> 00:25:01,250 When I fire you, you'll know it. 424 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,280 Scottish grading system for snow and ice climbs goes from grade one to grade 425 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:12,320 six. Grade two is characterized by rudimentary technical climbing over 426 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,580 distances. Unfortunately, that changed. 427 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:15,880 How did it change? 428 00:25:16,060 --> 00:25:17,780 Well, the first thing that happened was it got warmer. 429 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,660 What had been good, hard, blue -green ice, which was perfect for climbing, 430 00:25:23,860 --> 00:25:24,860 turned soft. 431 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,060 Climbing became more difficult. 432 00:25:28,660 --> 00:25:29,920 resulting in Mr. Allner's fall. 433 00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:34,140 What, if anything, did you do in an attempt to get Mr. Allner off that 434 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:38,440 First thing we did was get him to a flat protected area, get him covered up. 435 00:25:40,580 --> 00:25:46,180 I tried several times to go for help, but each time I was turned back by 436 00:25:46,180 --> 00:25:47,440 avalanches or storms. 437 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,460 Who decided to take Vaughn Allner's life, Mr. Barkwell? 438 00:25:50,660 --> 00:25:54,480 I'll take responsibility for it. You tell us why you felt it had come to 439 00:25:54,660 --> 00:25:57,220 Mr. Allner had been in a coma for five days. 440 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,460 His pulse was barely discernible. 441 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,360 His body temperature was extremely low. 442 00:26:04,420 --> 00:26:06,400 I felt there was no chance to get him out alive. 443 00:26:06,660 --> 00:26:09,280 Well, in that case, why not just leave him and get out yourselves? 444 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,940 It had been more than two weeks since we'd eaten anything. 445 00:26:12,180 --> 00:26:14,400 We were suffering from frostbite, hypothermia. 446 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,460 I felt as though if we didn't ingest some form of calories, the temperature 447 00:26:19,460 --> 00:26:22,520 our internal organs would be such that we'd freeze to death. 448 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:25,920 In order to have the strength... 449 00:26:26,460 --> 00:26:30,460 To get off that mountain, we had to eat. Do you regret what you did? 450 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,380 I regret the circumstances made it necessary. 451 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:36,120 Thank you. 452 00:26:36,180 --> 00:26:37,220 I have nothing further. 453 00:26:42,140 --> 00:26:47,680 Were you aware, Mr. Barkwell, that search and rescue operations were 454 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,160 the time you took this man's life? 455 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,960 No, I was not. Most search and rescue operations are scaled back after about 456 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,160 days. Also, given the weather, I was not optimistic that the searchers would 457 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,440 find us, even if they were still looking. 458 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,440 Are you aware of the fact that people have survived without food for as long 459 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,440 five weeks? 460 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:07,920 I wasn't out to set any records. 461 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:10,900 I'd reached my limit. 462 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,840 Richard Visser had reached his. 463 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,480 I made the decision I felt was necessary in order to survive. 464 00:27:16,780 --> 00:27:20,080 Did you hear Von Allmer speak his wife's name, sir? 465 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,940 Yes. So, you were aware that he was, in fact, coming out of the coma. 466 00:27:25,500 --> 00:27:27,920 I was aware that he had spoken. 467 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:33,620 And having heard him, you opted to go right on doing what you were doing? 468 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,080 Yes. 469 00:27:35,820 --> 00:27:40,360 In other words, once you had decided to sacrifice this man, nothing was going to 470 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:42,440 stop you. Your Honor, I object to prosecutors badgering this man. 471 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,900 Objection sustained. Mr. Mullaney, you will cease badgering the witness. 472 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,700 I understand the legal position that you are taking, Mr. 473 00:27:50,020 --> 00:27:54,690 Barkwell. What I'm wondering is whether or not it doesn't seem, even to you, 474 00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:59,550 that maybe it wasn't necessary to kill this man, hack off his leg, and 475 00:27:59,550 --> 00:28:03,410 cannibalize him. We were dying. All three of us were dying. 476 00:28:03,910 --> 00:28:09,330 Von Allner was closer than Richard Visser or myself, but we weren't far 477 00:28:09,550 --> 00:28:16,330 I didn't enjoy what I did. I didn't derive some ghoulish pleasure from 478 00:28:16,330 --> 00:28:17,229 human flesh. 479 00:28:17,230 --> 00:28:18,530 It was a gruesome... 480 00:28:19,970 --> 00:28:25,730 Sickening ordeal. But had we not done it, there is absolutely no doubt in my 481 00:28:25,730 --> 00:28:27,610 mind but that we would have died. 482 00:28:27,850 --> 00:28:33,630 I am sorry that it happened the way it happened. But I don't apologize for 483 00:28:33,630 --> 00:28:34,630 surviving. 484 00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:36,890 No further questions. 485 00:28:42,850 --> 00:28:44,330 Thanks for coming. 486 00:28:44,650 --> 00:28:45,650 Not at all. 487 00:28:45,690 --> 00:28:47,570 I wanted to talk to you about what happened. 488 00:28:49,719 --> 00:28:51,960 Okay. What did Leland and my father tell you to say? 489 00:28:52,220 --> 00:28:55,140 They didn't tell me to say anything. I mean, they don't even know that I'm 490 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,260 Leland blames everything on you, though, doesn't he? 491 00:28:58,460 --> 00:28:59,880 Yeah, he holds me partially responsible. 492 00:29:00,540 --> 00:29:03,060 Well, I'm sure you can get another job if need be. 493 00:29:04,980 --> 00:29:06,400 Did I do something wrong? 494 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,200 No. 495 00:29:11,380 --> 00:29:12,380 I'm sorry. 496 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,400 And I'm sorry you got dragged into this. 497 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,540 Here you go. Thank you. 498 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,960 You know, you don't have to murder your father. 499 00:29:25,540 --> 00:29:26,940 I'm not sure you're right about that. 500 00:29:27,260 --> 00:29:28,260 You're not? 501 00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:34,300 Look, I'm finished being a professional son, Denise. 502 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,240 I don't want to pad around after him anymore. 503 00:29:37,540 --> 00:29:38,540 Well, then don't. 504 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,260 Don't work for him. Don't work for his company. 505 00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:42,860 Start your own company. 506 00:29:44,610 --> 00:29:48,370 You're a smart boy, Alan. I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of things you could 507 00:29:48,370 --> 00:29:49,370 on your own. 508 00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:52,530 I couldn't get you to go out with me, though. 509 00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:57,010 Well, I'm sure there's a lot of other things, you know, that you could do on 510 00:29:57,010 --> 00:29:58,010 your own. 511 00:30:03,670 --> 00:30:06,670 You're getting a major league shafting here, Carl, I have to tell you that. 512 00:30:06,970 --> 00:30:07,970 I don't care. 513 00:30:08,460 --> 00:30:11,560 You don't care now because you're despondent. You're going to care a year 514 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,860 now when you're in the supermarket buying dented cans of tuna fish. 515 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,660 I can't subject myself to any more humiliation, Arnie. It's too painful. 516 00:30:19,140 --> 00:30:21,600 It was bad enough when it was just her and Ivan. 517 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:26,160 Now to be faced with the fact that there have been repeated infidelities... Why 518 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,800 is that an occasion to give her everything that she's asking for? 519 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,800 Because I don't want to go through a long, drawn -out divorce. 520 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,400 You know, if this does go to court, we're going to beat them cold. 521 00:30:37,790 --> 00:30:38,689 Doesn't matter. 522 00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:40,890 A little vengeance goes a long way, Carl. 523 00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:45,550 I'm sure vengeance is one in a range of approaches to this self -same set of 524 00:30:45,550 --> 00:30:48,470 circumstances. I just don't know if it's appropriate in my case. 525 00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:52,130 Why isn't it? Because I brought her infidelities on myself. 526 00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:58,190 You're right. 527 00:30:59,170 --> 00:31:01,930 Well, not that I don't feel aggrieved. 528 00:31:02,130 --> 00:31:03,650 I understand. I'll, uh... 529 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,260 I'll finish up the paperwork on it, you go back to your office, and I'll call 530 00:31:09,260 --> 00:31:10,820 you when it's ready for signature. 531 00:31:11,660 --> 00:31:15,280 Well, I appreciate the effort you've been making. 532 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:16,600 Right. 533 00:31:16,820 --> 00:31:18,300 I know you don't agree with me. 534 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:19,560 Doesn't matter. 535 00:31:19,780 --> 00:31:20,780 You're the boss. 536 00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:25,520 I do not in any way, shape, or form feel like the boss. 537 00:31:25,820 --> 00:31:29,200 I'm in too much pain to sit across a table from this woman. 538 00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:30,640 Carl, do me a favor. 539 00:31:31,439 --> 00:31:34,840 Don't ask me to feel sorry for you, because in my opinion, you should be 540 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,720 sit across the table from this woman. You say it's too painful. Well, 541 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,480 the world is a painful place, but you still have to take care of business. 542 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,740 I don't live in the world the way you do, Arnie. 543 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,240 I live in my mind. 544 00:31:47,460 --> 00:31:48,820 I don't build anything. 545 00:31:49,340 --> 00:31:50,580 I don't sell anything. 546 00:31:51,420 --> 00:31:53,920 I don't talk to people outside my field. 547 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,300 I don't talk to very many people inside my field. 548 00:31:58,570 --> 00:32:03,430 For the past eight years, the one link I've had to the world outside my mind 549 00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:07,550 been Andrea. There are a lot of other women in the world, Carl. The only women 550 00:32:07,550 --> 00:32:10,670 I've ever been with is Andrea Rossoff. 551 00:32:11,950 --> 00:32:12,950 What do you mean? 552 00:32:14,350 --> 00:32:18,110 She's the only woman I've ever had sexual intercourse with or seen 553 00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:19,110 naked. 554 00:32:20,370 --> 00:32:21,370 Oh. 555 00:32:23,710 --> 00:32:26,490 Put on your coat, Carl. I'm going to make a phone call. 556 00:32:28,010 --> 00:32:31,410 And you and I are going to head over to the monkey bar. Wait a minute. 557 00:32:32,030 --> 00:32:33,210 Who are you going to call? 558 00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:35,370 What is the monkey bar? 559 00:32:35,610 --> 00:32:37,070 Monkey bar is a restaurant. 560 00:32:37,870 --> 00:32:39,510 I'm going to call a young woman I know. 561 00:32:40,250 --> 00:32:41,810 I don't want a prostitute, Arnie. 562 00:32:42,030 --> 00:32:43,270 She's not a prostitute. 563 00:32:45,030 --> 00:32:46,170 She's a friend of mine. 564 00:32:48,430 --> 00:32:50,870 So tell me, what is this gold box conjecture? 565 00:32:51,150 --> 00:32:52,710 What's gold box conjecture? 566 00:32:54,130 --> 00:32:55,370 Okay, um... 567 00:32:55,710 --> 00:33:00,530 It's an open problem in mathematics, which remains open to this day. Simply 568 00:33:00,530 --> 00:33:05,310 stated, every even number can be expressed as the sum of two primes. Carl 569 00:33:05,310 --> 00:33:06,890 something of an authority on the subject. 570 00:33:07,150 --> 00:33:12,670 It was first proposed in 1742 in a letter by Christian Goldbach to the 571 00:33:12,670 --> 00:33:13,670 Leonard Euler. 572 00:33:13,710 --> 00:33:16,070 It has remained open ever since. 573 00:33:16,650 --> 00:33:17,730 This is math. 574 00:33:18,510 --> 00:33:19,510 This is math. 575 00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:21,750 This is number theory. 576 00:33:22,110 --> 00:33:23,110 Holly. 577 00:33:23,340 --> 00:33:27,280 This is an actual genius, not just one of those guys who thinks of himself that 578 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,380 way. His IQ is 190. 579 00:33:30,580 --> 00:33:37,360 My God. I must say that I don't find the IQ so -called to be a 580 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,600 particularly reliable indicator of most higher -order thinking. It's an 581 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,960 interesting diversion, but in practical terms, it's meaningless. 582 00:33:45,340 --> 00:33:47,740 January 5th, 1965, what day of the week? 583 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,820 These are parlor tricks. January 5th, 1965. 584 00:33:51,740 --> 00:33:52,740 Tuesday. 585 00:33:53,940 --> 00:33:57,040 November 17th, 1931. 586 00:33:58,040 --> 00:33:59,380 It's silly. It's meaningless. 587 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:01,960 Also Tuesday. 588 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,120 Oh, wow. 589 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,120 April 24th, 1966. 590 00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:09,060 Sunday. It was a Sunday. That was the day I was born. 591 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:10,440 You were born in 1966? 592 00:34:10,980 --> 00:34:14,400 Yes. Wow. That happens to be a fairly interesting number. 593 00:34:14,659 --> 00:34:21,239 Why? 1 ,966 can be expressed as the sum of 953 plus... 594 00:34:21,710 --> 00:34:22,870 One thousand and thirteen. 595 00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:25,449 Both of those numbers happen to be prime. 596 00:34:26,969 --> 00:34:28,429 Which means what? 597 00:34:28,690 --> 00:34:31,530 Not evenly divisible by any other number. 598 00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:36,530 That sounds simple, doesn't it? I'll try to determine whether an odd seven 599 00:34:36,530 --> 00:34:38,690 -digit number not ending in five is prime. 600 00:34:39,590 --> 00:34:42,909 You'll soon find that has to be rather arduous. What'd I tell you? 601 00:34:43,290 --> 00:34:44,889 So I guess Arnie told you. 602 00:34:45,989 --> 00:34:48,370 I got a thing for a really smart guy. 603 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,020 When Sam Barkwell and Richard Visser took the life of Vaughn Allner, they had 604 00:35:03,020 --> 00:35:04,260 malice in their hearts. 605 00:35:05,340 --> 00:35:09,260 They committed this horrible act because they felt they had no choice. 606 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:17,540 By all accounts, Vaughn Allner was gravely ill. There was no reason to 607 00:35:17,540 --> 00:35:18,840 his life could have been saved. 608 00:35:19,940 --> 00:35:23,580 Barkwell and Visser had no expectation of being rescued. 609 00:35:24,260 --> 00:35:26,540 They were also starving to death. 610 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,120 Their choices were. 611 00:35:28,770 --> 00:35:33,130 starve where they were, leave Von Aulner to die and try to make it back to 612 00:35:33,130 --> 00:35:37,590 civilization while they were starving, or do what they did. 613 00:35:38,670 --> 00:35:42,750 Had they done anything other than what they did, they too would have died. 614 00:35:43,250 --> 00:35:48,170 Let us not attempt to superimpose a code of conduct that in a snowstorm at 13 615 00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:51,390 ,000 feet would have resulted in three men dying instead of one. 616 00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:56,470 Don't punish Samuel Barkwell. 617 00:35:57,670 --> 00:36:00,210 For saving the lives he was capable of saving. 618 00:36:01,310 --> 00:36:02,310 Thank you. 619 00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:09,950 Richard Visser is not a great mountain climber. 620 00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:12,710 I think he'd be the first to admit that. 621 00:36:14,610 --> 00:36:21,550 He found himself under circumstances so extraordinary, I don't think 622 00:36:21,550 --> 00:36:23,570 any of us can imagine the horror. 623 00:36:25,450 --> 00:36:30,370 I don't think there is any question that Richard Visser was indeed horrified at 624 00:36:30,370 --> 00:36:36,010 the prospect of taking another man's life. The fact is that when it came time 625 00:36:36,010 --> 00:36:38,450 do it, he couldn't. 626 00:36:39,850 --> 00:36:41,270 Did he go along with it? 627 00:36:41,650 --> 00:36:43,070 Yes, he went along. 628 00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:46,050 Ask yourselves what choice he had. 629 00:36:46,510 --> 00:36:49,490 Samuel Barkwell was in charge of this undertaking. 630 00:36:49,710 --> 00:36:53,930 He was in charge at the beginning, and he certainly was in charge at the end. 631 00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:59,920 Whether or not you see fit to punish Samuel Barkwell, there is no 632 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:03,840 of any kind in punishing Richard Visser. 633 00:37:04,980 --> 00:37:05,980 Thank you. 634 00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:17,800 Samuel Barkwell says he had a good reason for killing, so he's not guilty. 635 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,580 Richard Visser says he backed out at the last minute, so he's not guilty either. 636 00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:31,170 Under the law, anyone who plans or participates in the deliberate killing 637 00:37:31,170 --> 00:37:35,090 another human being is, by definition, guilty. 638 00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:41,830 And that law applies here in this building, on the streets of Los Angeles, 639 00:37:41,830 --> 00:37:44,930 in a snow cave at 13 ,000 feet. 640 00:37:45,350 --> 00:37:50,350 The most basic tenets of civilization extend even there. 641 00:37:51,690 --> 00:37:56,730 There was, despite what Mr. Levinson has claimed, a real chance that all three 642 00:37:56,730 --> 00:38:00,650 of these men would have been rescued. Had one of them gone for help, the other 643 00:38:00,650 --> 00:38:02,490 two might well be alive when help arrived. 644 00:38:02,810 --> 00:38:04,110 Can I guarantee it? 645 00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:10,790 No, I can't. What I can guarantee is that Samuel Barkwell and Richard Visser 646 00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:15,930 had neither the legal nor the moral right to kill a helpless human being out 647 00:38:15,930 --> 00:38:17,590 the belief that it would keep them alive. 648 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:25,180 The law as defined by Samuel Barkwell does not obtain in this courtroom. 649 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,700 What he and his co -defendant did was to commit manslaughter. 650 00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:33,880 I ask that they be convicted and punished. 651 00:38:44,380 --> 00:38:46,320 Hey, Jack, thanks for coming in. 652 00:38:51,020 --> 00:38:52,420 Talk fast. I have a busy day. 653 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,600 You know, yesterday was the first time in my life I felt like you were really 654 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,600 listening to me. 655 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,740 You've got a tough life, kid. What could I tell you? You think it's easy being 656 00:39:01,740 --> 00:39:02,740 your kid? 657 00:39:02,860 --> 00:39:05,200 Probably had its pluses and minuses, just like everything else. 658 00:39:06,180 --> 00:39:07,800 I think that's probably true. 659 00:39:08,540 --> 00:39:10,460 What is it that you want to say, Alan? 660 00:39:11,060 --> 00:39:14,440 Just that I'm not going to do what I said I was going to do yesterday. 661 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,120 For the duration of this fight, I'm going to stand with you, Dad. 662 00:39:20,430 --> 00:39:22,510 Why the change of heart? 663 00:39:24,050 --> 00:39:28,250 Denise called me. We got together. She had a few things to say on the subject. 664 00:39:30,690 --> 00:39:37,610 I spent a sleepless night. I decided that whatever else I want, I don't want 665 00:39:37,610 --> 00:39:38,610 turn against you. 666 00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:45,790 So, uh, we're still in business. No, we're not still in business. 667 00:39:46,910 --> 00:39:49,830 I'm going to wrap up my responsibilities for your company. 668 00:39:50,270 --> 00:39:52,070 Then I'm going to move on. What do you mean, move on? 669 00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:53,470 I've got some ideas. 670 00:39:54,490 --> 00:39:56,970 I'm going to start a business of my own. We'll do it together. 671 00:39:57,570 --> 00:39:59,130 I don't want to do it together. 672 00:40:00,050 --> 00:40:01,250 I want to do it myself. 673 00:40:01,990 --> 00:40:05,210 So I'll just be an investor, a silent partner. Maybe next time. 674 00:40:05,650 --> 00:40:09,110 Oh, that makes no sense. The first one's the one you need me for. Who are you 675 00:40:09,110 --> 00:40:11,490 going to go to? Investment bankers? Wall Street? They'll eat you alive. 676 00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:12,830 Jack. What? 677 00:40:13,110 --> 00:40:14,370 Listen to what he's telling you. 678 00:40:20,430 --> 00:40:21,430 All right, kid. 679 00:40:23,010 --> 00:40:24,010 Whatever you say. 680 00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:33,630 New Arnie? Where is he? 681 00:40:34,450 --> 00:40:35,450 I don't know, Seth. 682 00:40:36,050 --> 00:40:40,010 He should be here. I know he should be here. If you have two nine -sided dice, 683 00:40:40,110 --> 00:40:41,870 what are the odds of drawing 16 or more? 684 00:40:42,930 --> 00:40:44,050 13 .5. 685 00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:47,590 Carl, that was supposed to be challenging for my attorney. 686 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:50,640 Take a look at that, baby. 687 00:40:58,100 --> 00:41:01,500 This is an indirect proof for Goldbach's conjecture. That's right. 688 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,580 No partition with exactly two primes exists. 689 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,120 There's a corollary to Wildenberg. 690 00:41:08,540 --> 00:41:10,260 There's no central involution. 691 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:12,520 That's incredible. 692 00:41:13,460 --> 00:41:14,460 If it's true. 693 00:41:14,660 --> 00:41:16,040 We should probably get down to business. 694 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,320 Okay. I assume you're ready to sign some papers, huh? 695 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:20,680 Actually, we're not. 696 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:22,499 We're not? 697 00:41:22,500 --> 00:41:23,960 Ask Carl. He's the boss. 698 00:41:24,220 --> 00:41:26,360 Yesterday, I wasn't prepared to go through with the divorce. 699 00:41:26,660 --> 00:41:29,600 Today, that's no longer the case. You've contradicted the fight -Suzuki 700 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:30,740 -Thompson theorem. Do you know that? 701 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,940 Ray Duccio ought absurdum. 702 00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:35,700 Quaderat demonstrandum. Sir! 703 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,040 We should schedule the rest of the depositions and get ready to proceed to 704 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:44,480 trial. I want you to take me through this, Carl. Look, have we really gone 705 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,900 all of the avenues that could lead us to a settlement here? I want to be there 706 00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:51,680 when you polish your proofs. Andrea, please, let's first deal with the 707 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,760 at hand, shall we? Answer to your question, Seth. Unless your client is 708 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,100 to drop the demands for the apartment and agree to one -third of the monthly 709 00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:00,000 support she's asking for, we're going to trial. 710 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,260 Andrea. Please, Carl. 711 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,580 I'll take you through the proofs when we're done with the divorce. 712 00:42:05,060 --> 00:42:06,060 Okay. 713 00:42:06,259 --> 00:42:11,660 Freely conceding that this is impulsive, erratic, and completely unstable, what 714 00:42:11,660 --> 00:42:13,640 do you say we stay married? 715 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,340 I'd say no thanks. 716 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:20,500 Carl, you knew about Ivan at the point which you suggested reconciliation. 717 00:42:21,460 --> 00:42:23,180 I told you about multiple affairs. 718 00:42:23,380 --> 00:42:26,800 You thought there were X units of adultery. It turned out there were Y 719 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,620 adultery. Fundamentally, there's no difference. 720 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:29,920 You're right, Andrea. 721 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,200 Then why are you unwilling to reconcile now? 722 00:42:32,540 --> 00:42:33,540 Why are you willing to? 723 00:42:34,180 --> 00:42:36,020 I've never seen you in this light. 724 00:42:36,340 --> 00:42:39,060 In other words, now I can do you some good. No. 725 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,980 There's going to be hoopla and frenzy, and you want to be part of the hoopla 726 00:42:42,980 --> 00:42:46,320 frenzy. I've never seen you more brilliant than you are right now, Carl. 727 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,160 Don't turn me away. 728 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:49,800 Sorry, Andrea. 729 00:42:50,140 --> 00:42:51,620 Why are you doing this to me? 730 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:53,520 Excuse me. 731 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,140 Arnie, do you validate? 732 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,140 Sure, Holly. The receptionist will take care of it for you. 733 00:43:01,260 --> 00:43:02,260 We're ready to go. 734 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:03,760 Great. 735 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,120 Bye all. 736 00:43:22,860 --> 00:43:24,580 Has the jury reached a verdict? 737 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:25,920 We have, Your Honor. 738 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,000 What say you? 739 00:43:28,780 --> 00:43:33,000 In the matter of the people versus Richard Visser on the charge of 740 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,830 manslaughter, we the jury find the defendant... not guilty. 741 00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:42,130 In the matter of Samuel Barkwell on the charge of voluntary manslaughter, we 742 00:43:42,130 --> 00:43:43,370 find the defendant guilty. 743 00:43:44,530 --> 00:43:49,370 Mr. Barkwell may spend a brief moment with counsel and thereafter be remanded 744 00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:50,370 into custody. 745 00:43:50,730 --> 00:43:52,470 Mr. Visser is free to go. 746 00:43:53,470 --> 00:43:56,090 The jury is discharged with the thanks of the court. 747 00:43:59,030 --> 00:44:00,030 Sam. 748 00:44:02,410 --> 00:44:03,410 Sam. 749 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,220 You need to know something. 750 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,700 You need to know that I did a bad job. 751 00:44:09,980 --> 00:44:10,979 No, you didn't. 752 00:44:10,980 --> 00:44:12,960 Listen to me. I'm not saying this for absolution. 753 00:44:13,180 --> 00:44:15,780 I'm saying this because you need to hire another attorney to handle your appeal. 754 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,800 One of the grounds you need to include is my incompetent representation. 755 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:20,440 You weren't incompetent. 756 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,960 Allowing a joint trial was incompetent. Eli, you're not going to get me to say 757 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:24,960 it because I don't think it's true. 758 00:44:25,940 --> 00:44:28,160 Also, I don't want to hire another lawyer. 759 00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:31,060 You handled the case. I want you to handle the appeal. 760 00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:33,500 I'm sorry, Sam. 761 00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:34,980 stepped in a hole, Eli. 762 00:44:36,140 --> 00:44:37,140 Happens. 763 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,460 You, uh... You left before I had a chance to say anything, Sam. 764 00:44:50,580 --> 00:44:53,540 I am desperately sorry for what happened. 765 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,300 I did not go into this thinking that I would go free and you wouldn't. I... 766 00:44:58,300 --> 00:45:01,560 That's not what I planned. 767 00:45:01,820 --> 00:45:03,280 That's not what I wanted. 768 00:45:03,820 --> 00:45:10,760 I must say, though, in all fairness, I don't feel equally responsible for 769 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,380 what happened up there. I was hysterical. 770 00:45:14,780 --> 00:45:16,180 I didn't know what I was doing. 771 00:45:20,860 --> 00:45:22,000 I'm sorry, Sam. 772 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,460 You're not even going to talk to me? 773 00:45:26,740 --> 00:45:27,740 Why would you? 774 00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:30,930 I told the truth up there. What I said on the witness stand is what I 775 00:45:30,930 --> 00:45:33,810 remembered. And the fact that it hung your code defendant out to dry, that was 776 00:45:33,810 --> 00:45:36,110 strictly inadvertent. All right, now, what would you have me do? 777 00:45:37,610 --> 00:45:38,770 I would have had you be a man. 778 00:45:39,870 --> 00:45:42,010 I would have had you take responsibility for your actions. 779 00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:44,610 But then cowards seldom do that. 780 00:45:44,890 --> 00:45:45,910 You think I'm a coward? 781 00:45:46,330 --> 00:45:47,330 Yes, I do. 782 00:45:48,090 --> 00:45:50,850 And much as I would be utterly terrified at the prospect of going to prison 783 00:45:50,850 --> 00:45:53,090 right now, I'd rather be where Sam Barkwell is than where you are. 784 00:45:53,790 --> 00:45:57,190 If his appeals are unsuccessful, he'll do his time and he'll be done. 785 00:45:58,090 --> 00:46:00,310 I suspect you'll be a coward for the rest of your life.